Field Day Location - Rittman American Legion Hall
All, Just to continue the good discussion we've been having, here's the thoughts on returning to the American Legion in Rittman. The first interesting thing is that I looked up is the property maps in Wayne Co for the site. The field behind the hall is in in fact owned by the Legion - we've always been under the impression that it was owned by the city and part of Fritz Park. I've attached a map of the approximate area owned by them. The biggest two issues with the Legion hall are the noise level inside and sometimes we've had HF interference on 20m at that location. One possibility is to use the hall itself as "home base" but actually do operating outside. There are several options for that including locating the operators on the gravel behind the hall with longer feedlines - which doesn't really harm HF ops. Or locate them dispersed out throughout the field. Obviously having them together helps with the power situation. Alternatively we could get serious about noise dampening inside the hall. We could construct A frame around the operating stations and rent a bunch of moving blankets to hang from it as sound deadening. We'd also likely need to put a fan in each "booth". Downside of the framing is just like a tent, we'd need to store it somewhere. This would also require some longer feedlines out into the field. From the back door if the hall out into the middle of the field, it's roughly 185ft. So we'd be looking at 225-250 foot coax runs. We could optimize the field layout and keep 10/15 close to the building on shorter runs and put 20/40/80/160 far out in the field. LMR400 is 0.8dB loss per 100ft at 30MHz. LMR600 is 0.4dB / 100 at 30. Pros: * Familiar site * Full kitchen * indoor sleeping/resting * Bathrooms * Water / electricity Cons: * Severe room noise issues must be addressed * Potential for HF interference (field may solve though) Jason
All, If we can solve the sound issue with the American Legion Hall, it sounds like a win, especially with the new area we have for antennas. I was watching some DIY sound booth ideas and noticed some of them making them from PVC pipe and connectors just quicky pressed together, hanging moving blankets on them they put some grommets on, and then zip tied to the frame. You can get a 12 pack of blankets from a place like AliXpress for next to nothing comparatively, although rental may still be cheaper. <https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806352868746.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist. main.1.2bb83bfebohiCR&algo_pvid=08146e6e-e672-421f-8857-2ace1d828865&algo_ex p_id=08146e6e-e672-421f-8857-2ace1d828865-0&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21USD%21131.65%2 178.99%21%21%21131.65%2178.99%21%402101fb1717081938294565041e32b9%2112000037 581441329%21sea%21US%210%21AB&curPageLogUid=ZwGuc05YUEtb&utparam-url=scene%3 Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A> VEVOR 35/65 lbs Moving Blankets 12 Packs 80" x 72" Packing Blanket Heavy Duty Mover Pads for Protecting Furniture Appliances - AliExpress Again, just throwing out info for discussion. Jeff From: Jason McCormick via Field Day Tech <fd-tech@w8wky.org> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2024 11:33 AM To: fd-tech@w8wky.org Cc: Jason McCormick <jason@mfamily.org> Subject: [Field Day Tech] Field Day Location - Rittman American Legion Hall All, Just to continue the good discussion we've been having, here's the thoughts on returning to the American Legion in Rittman. The first interesting thing is that I looked up is the property maps in Wayne Co for the site. The field behind the hall is in in fact owned by the Legion - we've always been under the impression that it was owned by the city and part of Fritz Park. I've attached a map of the approximate area owned by them. The biggest two issues with the Legion hall are the noise level inside and sometimes we've had HF interference on 20m at that location. One possibility is to use the hall itself as "home base" but actually do operating outside. There are several options for that including locating the operators on the gravel behind the hall with longer feedlines - which doesn't really harm HF ops. Or locate them dispersed out throughout the field. Obviously having them together helps with the power situation. Alternatively we could get serious about noise dampening inside the hall. We could construct A frame around the operating stations and rent a bunch of moving blankets to hang from it as sound deadening. We'd also likely need to put a fan in each "booth". Downside of the framing is just like a tent, we'd need to store it somewhere. This would also require some longer feedlines out into the field.
From the back door if the hall out into the middle of the field, it's roughly 185ft. So we'd be looking at 225-250 foot coax runs. We could optimize the field layout and keep 10/15 close to the building on shorter runs and put 20/40/80/160 far out in the field. LMR400 is 0.8dB loss per 100ft at 30MHz. LMR600 is 0.4dB / 100 at 30.
Pros: * Familiar site * Full kitchen * indoor sleeping/resting * Bathrooms * Water / electricity Cons: * Severe room noise issues must be addressed * Potential for HF interference (field may solve though) Jason
What size PVC and how long where the runs? PVC will sag quite a bit for a given run even absent having something like a blanket hanging on it. We could use buckets with sand or something for the ground supports. I was thinking we could build a wooden frame that would be self-standing and screw together with wingnuts and studs. But that would be a decent amount of construction work. ________________________________ From: Jeff Royer <w8tb@160meter.com> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2024 1:29 PM To: 'Field Day Technologies Discussion' <fd-tech@w8wky.org> Cc: Jason McCormick <jason@mfamily.org> Subject: RE: [Field Day Tech] Field Day Location - Rittman American Legion Hall All, If we can solve the sound issue with the American Legion Hall, it sounds like a win, especially with the new area we have for antennas. I was watching some DIY sound booth ideas and noticed some of them making them from PVC pipe and connectors just quicky pressed together, hanging moving blankets on them they put some grommets on, and then zip tied to the frame. You can get a 12 pack of blankets from a place like AliXpress for next to nothing comparatively, although rental may still be cheaper. VEVOR 35/65 lbs Moving Blankets 12 Packs 80" x 72" Packing Blanket Heavy Duty Mover Pads for Protecting Furniture Appliances - AliExpress<https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806352868746.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.1.2bb83bfebohiCR&algo_pvid=08146e6e-e672-421f-8857-2ace1d828865&algo_exp_id=08146e6e-e672-421f-8857-2ace1d828865-0&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21USD%21131.65%2178.99%21%21%21131.65%2178.99%21%402101fb1717081938294565041e32b9%2112000037581441329%21sea%21US%210%21AB&curPageLogUid=ZwGuc05YUEtb&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A> Again, just throwing out info for discussion. Jeff From: Jason McCormick via Field Day Tech <fd-tech@w8wky.org> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2024 11:33 AM To: fd-tech@w8wky.org Cc: Jason McCormick <jason@mfamily.org> Subject: [Field Day Tech] Field Day Location - Rittman American Legion Hall All, Just to continue the good discussion we've been having, here's the thoughts on returning to the American Legion in Rittman. The first interesting thing is that I looked up is the property maps in Wayne Co for the site. The field behind the hall is in in fact owned by the Legion - we've always been under the impression that it was owned by the city and part of Fritz Park. I've attached a map of the approximate area owned by them. The biggest two issues with the Legion hall are the noise level inside and sometimes we've had HF interference on 20m at that location. One possibility is to use the hall itself as "home base" but actually do operating outside. There are several options for that including locating the operators on the gravel behind the hall with longer feedlines - which doesn't really harm HF ops. Or locate them dispersed out throughout the field. Obviously having them together helps with the power situation. Alternatively we could get serious about noise dampening inside the hall. We could construct A frame around the operating stations and rent a bunch of moving blankets to hang from it as sound deadening. We'd also likely need to put a fan in each "booth". Downside of the framing is just like a tent, we'd need to store it somewhere. This would also require some longer feedlines out into the field.
From the back door if the hall out into the middle of the field, it's roughly 185ft. So we'd be looking at 225-250 foot coax runs. We could optimize the field layout and keep 10/15 close to the building on shorter runs and put 20/40/80/160 far out in the field. LMR400 is 0.8dB loss per 100ft at 30MHz. LMR600 is 0.4dB / 100 at 30.
Pros: * Familiar site * Full kitchen * indoor sleeping/resting * Bathrooms * Water / electricity Cons: * Severe room noise issues must be addressed * Potential for HF interference (field may solve though) Jason [http://link.160meter.com/open/1rPeRcyncosJ1z.0Ds-1iRsGg4k3/1.gif]
The frame was something like this, although this one is for a stand up booth, and I was thinking not as high since the operator is normally seated. I was envisioning maybe 4ft sections to keep it from sagging. It would be a booth for each station type of deal. These are all just spitball ideas of course. (4) Vocal Booth in Simple PVC Pipe frame - YouTube <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HWIp7cRIbs> Jeff From: Jason McCormick via Field Day Tech <fd-tech@w8wky.org> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2024 5:17 PM To: Jeff Royer <w8tb@160meter.com>; 'Field Day Technologies Discussion' <fd-tech@w8wky.org> Cc: Jason McCormick <jason@mfamily.org> Subject: [Field Day Tech] Re: Field Day Location - Rittman American Legion Hall What size PVC and how long where the runs? PVC will sag quite a bit for a given run even absent having something like a blanket hanging on it. We could use buckets with sand or something for the ground supports. I was thinking we could build a wooden frame that would be self-standing and screw together with wingnuts and studs. But that would be a decent amount of construction work. _____ From: Jeff Royer <w8tb@160meter.com <mailto:w8tb@160meter.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2024 1:29 PM To: 'Field Day Technologies Discussion' <fd-tech@w8wky.org <mailto:fd-tech@w8wky.org> > Cc: Jason McCormick <jason@mfamily.org <mailto:jason@mfamily.org> > Subject: RE: [Field Day Tech] Field Day Location - Rittman American Legion Hall All, If we can solve the sound issue with the American Legion Hall, it sounds like a win, especially with the new area we have for antennas. I was watching some DIY sound booth ideas and noticed some of them making them from PVC pipe and connectors just quicky pressed together, hanging moving blankets on them they put some grommets on, and then zip tied to the frame. You can get a 12 pack of blankets from a place like AliXpress for next to nothing comparatively, although rental may still be cheaper. VEVOR 35/65 lbs Moving Blankets 12 Packs 80 <https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806352868746.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist. main.1.2bb83bfebohiCR&algo_pvid=08146e6e-e672-421f-8857-2ace1d828865&algo_ex p_id=08146e6e-e672-421f-8857-2ace1d828865-0&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21USD%21131.65%2 178.99%21%21%21131.65%2178.99%21%402101fb1717081938294565041e32b9%2112000037 581441329%21sea%21US%210%21AB&curPageLogUid=ZwGuc05YUEtb&utparam-url=scene%3 Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A> " x 72" Packing Blanket Heavy Duty Mover Pads for Protecting Furniture Appliances - AliExpress Again, just throwing out info for discussion. Jeff From: Jason McCormick via Field Day Tech <fd-tech@w8wky.org <mailto:fd-tech@w8wky.org> > Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2024 11:33 AM To: fd-tech@w8wky.org <mailto:fd-tech@w8wky.org> Cc: Jason McCormick <jason@mfamily.org <mailto:jason@mfamily.org> > Subject: [Field Day Tech] Field Day Location - Rittman American Legion Hall All, Just to continue the good discussion we've been having, here's the thoughts on returning to the American Legion in Rittman. The first interesting thing is that I looked up is the property maps in Wayne Co for the site. The field behind the hall is in in fact owned by the Legion - we've always been under the impression that it was owned by the city and part of Fritz Park. I've attached a map of the approximate area owned by them. The biggest two issues with the Legion hall are the noise level inside and sometimes we've had HF interference on 20m at that location. One possibility is to use the hall itself as "home base" but actually do operating outside. There are several options for that including locating the operators on the gravel behind the hall with longer feedlines - which doesn't really harm HF ops. Or locate them dispersed out throughout the field. Obviously having them together helps with the power situation. Alternatively we could get serious about noise dampening inside the hall. We could construct A frame around the operating stations and rent a bunch of moving blankets to hang from it as sound deadening. We'd also likely need to put a fan in each "booth". Downside of the framing is just like a tent, we'd need to store it somewhere. This would also require some longer feedlines out into the field.
From the back door if the hall out into the middle of the field, it's roughly 185ft. So we'd be looking at 225-250 foot coax runs. We could optimize the field layout and keep 10/15 close to the building on shorter runs and put 20/40/80/160 far out in the field. LMR400 is 0.8dB loss per 100ft at 30MHz. LMR600 is 0.4dB / 100 at 30.
Pros: * Familiar site * Full kitchen * indoor sleeping/resting * Bathrooms * Water / electricity Cons: * Severe room noise issues must be addressed * Potential for HF interference (field may solve though) Jason <http://link.160meter.com/open/1rPeRcyncosJ1z.0Ds-1iRsGg4k3/1.gif>
I think there's a lot of merit to this idea. We would have to construct something that goes floor to ceiling. Last year or two years ago now - forget which - we tried "ladder-high" moving blankets and it really didn't make a dent. I think it'd have to be floor to ceiling, at least walling off the operators from everyone else and then probably between people too. Everything in that building is concrete so it's just a huge echo chamber. Sound coming over the top still hits the walls and ceiling and comes back down. If we planned it out carefully, we could make something that's assembled onsite and then broken down for easy storage. Of course, this goes back to the need for a storage unit.... Jason ________________________________ From: Jeff Royer via Field Day Tech <fd-tech@w8wky.org> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2024 6:17 PM To: 'Field Day Technologies Discussion' <fd-tech@w8wky.org> Cc: Jeff Royer <w8tb@160meter.com> Subject: [Field Day Tech] Re: Field Day Location - Rittman American Legion Hall The frame was something like this, although this one is for a stand up booth, and I was thinking not as high since the operator is normally seated. I was envisioning maybe 4ft sections to keep it from sagging. It would be a booth for each station type of deal. These are all just spitball ideas of course. (4) Vocal Booth in Simple PVC Pipe frame - YouTube<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HWIp7cRIbs> Jeff From: Jason McCormick via Field Day Tech <fd-tech@w8wky.org> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2024 5:17 PM To: Jeff Royer <w8tb@160meter.com>; 'Field Day Technologies Discussion' <fd-tech@w8wky.org> Cc: Jason McCormick <jason@mfamily.org> Subject: [Field Day Tech] Re: Field Day Location - Rittman American Legion Hall What size PVC and how long where the runs? PVC will sag quite a bit for a given run even absent having something like a blanket hanging on it. We could use buckets with sand or something for the ground supports. I was thinking we could build a wooden frame that would be self-standing and screw together with wingnuts and studs. But that would be a decent amount of construction work. ________________________________ From: Jeff Royer <w8tb@160meter.com<mailto:w8tb@160meter.com>> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2024 1:29 PM To: 'Field Day Technologies Discussion' <fd-tech@w8wky.org<mailto:fd-tech@w8wky.org>> Cc: Jason McCormick <jason@mfamily.org<mailto:jason@mfamily.org>> Subject: RE: [Field Day Tech] Field Day Location - Rittman American Legion Hall All, If we can solve the sound issue with the American Legion Hall, it sounds like a win, especially with the new area we have for antennas. I was watching some DIY sound booth ideas and noticed some of them making them from PVC pipe and connectors just quicky pressed together, hanging moving blankets on them they put some grommets on, and then zip tied to the frame. You can get a 12 pack of blankets from a place like AliXpress for next to nothing comparatively, although rental may still be cheaper. VEVOR 35/65 lbs Moving Blankets 12 Packs 80" x 72" Packing Blanket Heavy Duty Mover Pads for Protecting Furniture Appliances - AliExpress<https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806352868746.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.1.2bb83bfebohiCR&algo_pvid=08146e6e-e672-421f-8857-2ace1d828865&algo_exp_id=08146e6e-e672-421f-8857-2ace1d828865-0&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21USD%21131.65%2178.99%21%21%21131.65%2178.99%21%402101fb1717081938294565041e32b9%2112000037581441329%21sea%21US%210%21AB&curPageLogUid=ZwGuc05YUEtb&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A> Again, just throwing out info for discussion. Jeff From: Jason McCormick via Field Day Tech <fd-tech@w8wky.org<mailto:fd-tech@w8wky.org>> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2024 11:33 AM To: fd-tech@w8wky.org<mailto:fd-tech@w8wky.org> Cc: Jason McCormick <jason@mfamily.org<mailto:jason@mfamily.org>> Subject: [Field Day Tech] Field Day Location - Rittman American Legion Hall All, Just to continue the good discussion we've been having, here's the thoughts on returning to the American Legion in Rittman. The first interesting thing is that I looked up is the property maps in Wayne Co for the site. The field behind the hall is in in fact owned by the Legion - we've always been under the impression that it was owned by the city and part of Fritz Park. I've attached a map of the approximate area owned by them. The biggest two issues with the Legion hall are the noise level inside and sometimes we've had HF interference on 20m at that location. One possibility is to use the hall itself as "home base" but actually do operating outside. There are several options for that including locating the operators on the gravel behind the hall with longer feedlines - which doesn't really harm HF ops. Or locate them dispersed out throughout the field. Obviously having them together helps with the power situation. Alternatively we could get serious about noise dampening inside the hall. We could construct A frame around the operating stations and rent a bunch of moving blankets to hang from it as sound deadening. We'd also likely need to put a fan in each "booth". Downside of the framing is just like a tent, we'd need to store it somewhere. This would also require some longer feedlines out into the field.
From the back door if the hall out into the middle of the field, it's roughly 185ft. So we'd be looking at 225-250 foot coax runs. We could optimize the field layout and keep 10/15 close to the building on shorter runs and put 20/40/80/160 far out in the field. LMR400 is 0.8dB loss per 100ft at 30MHz. LMR600 is 0.4dB / 100 at 30.
Pros: * Familiar site * Full kitchen * indoor sleeping/resting * Bathrooms * Water / electricity Cons: * Severe room noise issues must be addressed * Potential for HF interference (field may solve though) Jason [http://link.160meter.com/open/1rPTvwg30rbT04.0f6F1AH0zNZWp/1.gif]
I'm not sure that multiple soundproof booths is an idea that goes in the right direction. Set up time is tight enough as it is on Field Day morning!! I doubt we would need the additional expense and effort/burden of assembling soundproof booths, because the building has fundamental problems with NOISE. Again, I think the best way to provide a quiet operating environment is to move the operating stations OUTSIDE, except for one station for guests and visitors inside, perhaps GOTA or a VHF station. Tents, popup tent campers, and/or small travel trailers could all be used. Disperse them and their antennas for peace and quiet and no RF interference, and less interference from visiting ham's interrupting operations to have a BS session... Field Day should be kept a KISS event..... Bill On Sun, Feb 18, 2024, 4:16 PM Jason McCormick via Field Day Tech < fd-tech@w8wky.org> wrote:
I think there's a lot of merit to this idea. We would have to construct something that goes floor to ceiling. Last year or two years ago now - forget which - we tried "ladder-high" moving blankets and it really didn't make a dent. I think it'd have to be floor to ceiling, at least walling off the operators from everyone else and then probably between people too. Everything in that building is concrete so it's just a huge echo chamber. Sound coming over the top still hits the walls and ceiling and comes back down.
If we planned it out carefully, we could make something that's assembled onsite and then broken down for easy storage.
Of course, this goes back to the need for a storage unit....
Jason
------------------------------ *From:* Jeff Royer via Field Day Tech <fd-tech@w8wky.org> *Sent:* Saturday, February 17, 2024 6:17 PM *To:* 'Field Day Technologies Discussion' <fd-tech@w8wky.org> *Cc:* Jeff Royer <w8tb@160meter.com> *Subject:* [Field Day Tech] Re: Field Day Location - Rittman American Legion Hall
The frame was something like this, although this one is for a stand up booth, and I was thinking not as high since the operator is normally seated. I was envisioning maybe 4ft sections to keep it from sagging. It would be a booth for each station type of deal. These are all just spitball ideas of course.
(4) Vocal Booth in Simple PVC Pipe frame - YouTube <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HWIp7cRIbs>
Jeff
*From:* Jason McCormick via Field Day Tech <fd-tech@w8wky.org> *Sent:* Saturday, February 17, 2024 5:17 PM *To:* Jeff Royer <w8tb@160meter.com>; 'Field Day Technologies Discussion' <fd-tech@w8wky.org> *Cc:* Jason McCormick <jason@mfamily.org> *Subject:* [Field Day Tech] Re: Field Day Location - Rittman American Legion Hall
What size PVC and how long where the runs? PVC will sag quite a bit for a given run even absent having something like a blanket hanging on it.
We could use buckets with sand or something for the ground supports.
I was thinking we could build a wooden frame that would be self-standing and screw together with wingnuts and studs. But that would be a decent amount of construction work. ------------------------------
*From:* Jeff Royer <w8tb@160meter.com> *Sent:* Saturday, February 17, 2024 1:29 PM *To:* 'Field Day Technologies Discussion' <fd-tech@w8wky.org> *Cc:* Jason McCormick <jason@mfamily.org> *Subject:* RE: [Field Day Tech] Field Day Location - Rittman American Legion Hall
All,
If we can solve the sound issue with the American Legion Hall, it sounds like a win, especially with the new area we have for antennas.
I was watching some DIY sound booth ideas and noticed some of them making them from PVC pipe and connectors just quicky pressed together, hanging moving blankets on them they put some grommets on, and then zip tied to the frame. You can get a 12 pack of blankets from a place like AliXpress for next to nothing comparatively, although rental may still be cheaper.
VEVOR 35/65 lbs Moving Blankets 12 Packs 80" x 72" Packing Blanket Heavy Duty Mover Pads for Protecting Furniture Appliances - AliExpress <https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806352868746.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.1.2bb83bfebohiCR&algo_pvid=08146e6e-e672-421f-8857-2ace1d828865&algo_exp_id=08146e6e-e672-421f-8857-2ace1d828865-0&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21USD%21131.65%2178.99%21%21%21131.65%2178.99%21%402101fb1717081938294565041e32b9%2112000037581441329%21sea%21US%210%21AB&curPageLogUid=ZwGuc05YUEtb&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A>
Again, just throwing out info for discussion.
Jeff
*From:* Jason McCormick via Field Day Tech <fd-tech@w8wky.org> *Sent:* Saturday, February 17, 2024 11:33 AM *To:* fd-tech@w8wky.org *Cc:* Jason McCormick <jason@mfamily.org> *Subject:* [Field Day Tech] Field Day Location - Rittman American Legion Hall
All,
Just to continue the good discussion we've been having, here's the thoughts on returning to the American Legion in Rittman. The first interesting thing is that I looked up is the property maps in Wayne Co for the site. The field behind the hall is in in fact owned by the Legion - we've always been under the impression that it was owned by the city and part of Fritz Park. I've attached a map of the approximate area owned by them.
The biggest two issues with the Legion hall are the noise level inside and sometimes we've had HF interference on 20m at that location. One possibility is to use the hall itself as "home base" but actually do operating outside. There are several options for that including locating the operators on the gravel behind the hall with longer feedlines - which doesn't really harm HF ops. Or locate them dispersed out throughout the field. Obviously having them together helps with the power situation.
Alternatively we could get serious about noise dampening inside the hall. We could construct A frame around the operating stations and rent a bunch of moving blankets to hang from it as sound deadening. We'd also likely need to put a fan in each "booth". Downside of the framing is just like a tent, we'd need to store it somewhere. This would also require some longer feedlines out into the field.
From the back door if the hall out into the middle of the field, it's roughly 185ft. So we'd be looking at 225-250 foot coax runs. We could optimize the field layout and keep 10/15 close to the building on shorter runs and put 20/40/80/160 far out in the field. LMR400 is 0.8dB loss per 100ft at 30MHz. LMR600 is 0.4dB / 100 at 30.
Pros:
- Familiar site - Full kitchen - indoor sleeping/resting - Bathrooms - Water / electricity
Cons:
- Severe room noise issues must be addressed - Potential for HF interference (field may solve though)
Jason
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All, I do have a good supply of aluminum extrusion (tubing & angle) that could be put to work. Also our table setup could be changed (maybe a long line so we are not facing each other). Lane KD8JJF On 2/17/2024 1:29 PM, Jeff Royer via Field Day Tech wrote:
All,
If we can solve the sound issue with the American Legion Hall, it sounds like a win, especially with the new area we have for antennas.
I was watching some DIY sound booth ideas and noticed some of them making them from PVC pipe and connectors just quicky pressed together, hanging moving blankets on them they put some grommets on, and then zip tied to the frame. You can get a 12 pack of blankets from a place like AliXpress for next to nothing comparatively, although rental may still be cheaper.
VEVOR 35/65 lbs Moving Blankets 12 Packs 80" x 72" Packing Blanket Heavy Duty Mover Pads for Protecting Furniture Appliances - AliExpress <https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806352868746.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.1.2bb83bfebohiCR&algo_pvid=08146e6e-e672-421f-8857-2ace1d828865&algo_exp_id=08146e6e-e672-421f-8857-2ace1d828865-0&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21USD%21131.65%2178.99%21%21%21131.65%2178.99%21%402101fb1717081938294565041e32b9%2112000037581441329%21sea%21US%210%21AB&curPageLogUid=ZwGuc05YUEtb&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A>
Again, just throwing out info for discussion.
Jeff
*From:* Jason McCormick via Field Day Tech <fd-tech@w8wky.org> *Sent:* Saturday, February 17, 2024 11:33 AM *To:* fd-tech@w8wky.org *Cc:* Jason McCormick <jason@mfamily.org> *Subject:* [Field Day Tech] Field Day Location - Rittman American Legion Hall
All,
Just to continue the good discussion we've been having, here's the thoughts on returning to the American Legion in Rittman. The first interesting thing is that I looked up is the property maps in Wayne Co for the site. The field behind the hall is in in fact owned by the Legion - we've always been under the impression that it was owned by the city and part of Fritz Park. I've attached a map of the approximate area owned by them.
The biggest two issues with the Legion hall are the noise level inside and sometimes we've had HF interference on 20m at that location. One possibility is to use the hall itself as "home base" but actually do operating outside. There are several options for that including locating the operators on the gravel behind the hall with longer feedlines - which doesn't really harm HF ops. Or locate them dispersed out throughout the field. Obviously having them together helps with the power situation.
Alternatively we could get serious about noise dampening inside the hall. We could construct A frame around the operating stations and rent a bunch of moving blankets to hang from it as sound deadening. We'd also likely need to put a fan in each "booth". Downside of the framing is just like a tent, we'd need to store it somewhere. This would also require some longer feedlines out into the field.
From the back door if the hall out into the middle of the field, it's roughly 185ft. So we'd be looking at 225-250 foot coax runs. We could optimize the field layout and keep 10/15 close to the building on shorter runs and put 20/40/80/160 far out in the field. LMR400 is 0.8dB loss per 100ft at 30MHz. LMR600 is 0.4dB / 100 at 30.
Pros:
* Familiar site
* Full kitchen
* indoor sleeping/resting
* Bathrooms
* Water / electricity
Cons:
* Severe room noise issues must be addressed
* Potential for HF interference (field may solve though)
Jason
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See the attached for some proposed layouts I've been working on. ________________________________ From: Lane Yerian via Field Day Tech <fd-tech@w8wky.org> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2024 7:49 AM To: Jeff Royer via Field Day Tech <fd-tech@w8wky.org> Cc: Lane Yerian <kd8jjf@gmail.com> Subject: [Field Day Tech] Re: Field Day Location - Rittman American Legion Hall All, I do have a good supply of aluminum extrusion (tubing & angle) that could be put to work. Also our table setup could be changed (maybe a long line so we are not facing each other). Lane KD8JJF On 2/17/2024 1:29 PM, Jeff Royer via Field Day Tech wrote: All, If we can solve the sound issue with the American Legion Hall, it sounds like a win, especially with the new area we have for antennas. I was watching some DIY sound booth ideas and noticed some of them making them from PVC pipe and connectors just quicky pressed together, hanging moving blankets on them they put some grommets on, and then zip tied to the frame. You can get a 12 pack of blankets from a place like AliXpress for next to nothing comparatively, although rental may still be cheaper. VEVOR 35/65 lbs Moving Blankets 12 Packs 80" x 72" Packing Blanket Heavy Duty Mover Pads for Protecting Furniture Appliances - AliExpress<https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806352868746.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.1.2bb83bfebohiCR&algo_pvid=08146e6e-e672-421f-8857-2ace1d828865&algo_exp_id=08146e6e-e672-421f-8857-2ace1d828865-0&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21USD%21131.65%2178.99%21%21%21131.65%2178.99%21%402101fb1717081938294565041e32b9%2112000037581441329%21sea%21US%210%21AB&curPageLogUid=ZwGuc05YUEtb&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A> Again, just throwing out info for discussion. Jeff From: Jason McCormick via Field Day Tech <fd-tech@w8wky.org><mailto:fd-tech@w8wky.org> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2024 11:33 AM To: fd-tech@w8wky.org<mailto:fd-tech@w8wky.org> Cc: Jason McCormick <jason@mfamily.org><mailto:jason@mfamily.org> Subject: [Field Day Tech] Field Day Location - Rittman American Legion Hall All, Just to continue the good discussion we've been having, here's the thoughts on returning to the American Legion in Rittman. The first interesting thing is that I looked up is the property maps in Wayne Co for the site. The field behind the hall is in in fact owned by the Legion - we've always been under the impression that it was owned by the city and part of Fritz Park. I've attached a map of the approximate area owned by them. The biggest two issues with the Legion hall are the noise level inside and sometimes we've had HF interference on 20m at that location. One possibility is to use the hall itself as "home base" but actually do operating outside. There are several options for that including locating the operators on the gravel behind the hall with longer feedlines - which doesn't really harm HF ops. Or locate them dispersed out throughout the field. Obviously having them together helps with the power situation. Alternatively we could get serious about noise dampening inside the hall. We could construct A frame around the operating stations and rent a bunch of moving blankets to hang from it as sound deadening. We'd also likely need to put a fan in each "booth". Downside of the framing is just like a tent, we'd need to store it somewhere. This would also require some longer feedlines out into the field.
From the back door if the hall out into the middle of the field, it's roughly 185ft. So we'd be looking at 225-250 foot coax runs. We could optimize the field layout and keep 10/15 close to the building on shorter runs and put 20/40/80/160 far out in the field. LMR400 is 0.8dB loss per 100ft at 30MHz. LMR600 is 0.4dB / 100 at 30.
Pros: * Familiar site * Full kitchen * indoor sleeping/resting * Bathrooms * Water / electricity Cons: * Severe room noise issues must be addressed * Potential for HF interference (field may solve though) Jason [http://link.160meter.com/open/1rPeRcyncosJ1z.0Dsd1iRs1aLgX/1.gif] _______________________________________________ Field Day Tech mailing list -- fd-tech@w8wky.org<mailto:fd-tech@w8wky.org> To unsubscribe send an email to fd-tech-leave@w8wky.org<mailto:fd-tech-leave@w8wky.org>
I volunteer my Yeasu FTdx10 for the 10/15/160m station. On Thu, Feb 22, 2024, 9:16 AM Jason McCormick via Field Day Tech < fd-tech@w8wky.org> wrote:
See the attached for some proposed layouts I've been working on. ------------------------------ *From:* Lane Yerian via Field Day Tech <fd-tech@w8wky.org> *Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2024 7:49 AM *To:* Jeff Royer via Field Day Tech <fd-tech@w8wky.org> *Cc:* Lane Yerian <kd8jjf@gmail.com> *Subject:* [Field Day Tech] Re: Field Day Location - Rittman American Legion Hall
All,
I do have a good supply of aluminum extrusion (tubing & angle) that could be put to work.
Also our table setup could be changed (maybe a long line so we are not facing each other).
Lane KD8JJF On 2/17/2024 1:29 PM, Jeff Royer via Field Day Tech wrote:
All,
If we can solve the sound issue with the American Legion Hall, it sounds like a win, especially with the new area we have for antennas.
I was watching some DIY sound booth ideas and noticed some of them making them from PVC pipe and connectors just quicky pressed together, hanging moving blankets on them they put some grommets on, and then zip tied to the frame. You can get a 12 pack of blankets from a place like AliXpress for next to nothing comparatively, although rental may still be cheaper.
VEVOR 35/65 lbs Moving Blankets 12 Packs 80" x 72" Packing Blanket Heavy Duty Mover Pads for Protecting Furniture Appliances - AliExpress <https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806352868746.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.1.2bb83bfebohiCR&algo_pvid=08146e6e-e672-421f-8857-2ace1d828865&algo_exp_id=08146e6e-e672-421f-8857-2ace1d828865-0&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21USD%21131.65%2178.99%21%21%21131.65%2178.99%21%402101fb1717081938294565041e32b9%2112000037581441329%21sea%21US%210%21AB&curPageLogUid=ZwGuc05YUEtb&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A>
Again, just throwing out info for discussion.
Jeff
*From:* Jason McCormick via Field Day Tech <fd-tech@w8wky.org> <fd-tech@w8wky.org> *Sent:* Saturday, February 17, 2024 11:33 AM *To:* fd-tech@w8wky.org *Cc:* Jason McCormick <jason@mfamily.org> <jason@mfamily.org> *Subject:* [Field Day Tech] Field Day Location - Rittman American Legion Hall
All,
Just to continue the good discussion we've been having, here's the thoughts on returning to the American Legion in Rittman. The first interesting thing is that I looked up is the property maps in Wayne Co for the site. The field behind the hall is in in fact owned by the Legion - we've always been under the impression that it was owned by the city and part of Fritz Park. I've attached a map of the approximate area owned by them.
The biggest two issues with the Legion hall are the noise level inside and sometimes we've had HF interference on 20m at that location. One possibility is to use the hall itself as "home base" but actually do operating outside. There are several options for that including locating the operators on the gravel behind the hall with longer feedlines - which doesn't really harm HF ops. Or locate them dispersed out throughout the field. Obviously having them together helps with the power situation.
Alternatively we could get serious about noise dampening inside the hall. We could construct A frame around the operating stations and rent a bunch of moving blankets to hang from it as sound deadening. We'd also likely need to put a fan in each "booth". Downside of the framing is just like a tent, we'd need to store it somewhere. This would also require some longer feedlines out into the field.
From the back door if the hall out into the middle of the field, it's roughly 185ft. So we'd be looking at 225-250 foot coax runs. We could optimize the field layout and keep 10/15 close to the building on shorter runs and put 20/40/80/160 far out in the field. LMR400 is 0.8dB loss per 100ft at 30MHz. LMR600 is 0.4dB / 100 at 30.
Pros:
- Familiar site
- Full kitchen
- indoor sleeping/resting
- Bathrooms
- Water / electricity
Cons:
- Severe room noise issues must be addressed
- Potential for HF interference (field may solve though)
Jason
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Lane Yerian -
Scott Talbot